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By: MrKrov. on 20 Nov 08, 03:42:55
Just so you can't confuse this, it would include the word 'by' if it meant God would be glorified BY Jesus. I still don't have an army of octopi.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 15:59:31
Nope. WHATSOEVER ye ask in my name, I do. Jesus is obviously saying he'll be proven to be God as doing the miracles needed to fully answer prayer will show the godliness within him. The fact he mentions TWICE anything you ask for confirms he's not talking about only certain requests.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 15:51:31
"You don't purchase something(others's freedom from hell) and get your money(life)back. If you do, you haven't really bought your soda. No loss at all." This is my version illustrating how simply 2 days in Hell won't buy anything. If life is to be used as currency, life must stay given. Otherwise, stuff is just being borrowed unpaid for. (Drinking a soda Jesus didn't really pay for isn't very honest.) (It was 2 days: Friday afternoon, Saturday, really early Sunday. Not even 2 whole days.)
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 08:58:06
.Not faith. Healing. They're called the mitzvoh. You'll just have to look them up in the Torah and not the Bible. The Messiah was supposed to lead the Jews to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot are to be ALWAYS be observed, AND ANYONE CHANGING THE TORAH IS IDENTIFIED AS A FRAUD.(Deut. 13:1-4) (Jesus said it was o.k. to heal on Sabbath now.) 3.Ezekiel 37:26-28. Plans for it's how it's to be constructed are in Ch40. Can't say it's metaphorical if it's got blueprints.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 08:57:16
4. Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn't have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Mat. 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Or a metaphorical throne since you like the idea of everything is an allegory.) Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30). There is no need for a mention of physical descendant. It would be asinine to require a descendant at all if somebody not related to David could be messiah.
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 07:46:20
Isaiah 7:16 says "The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah-he will bring the kind of Assyria" Where does it say "that before Jesus reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed" I don't know what you're reading from. John 14:13-14 (A couple of my favorite scripture) You already typed it. It must glorify the Father in the Son. Otherwise, He won't do it.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 07:38:45
Moreover, Isaiah 7:16 says that before Jesus reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. This did not happen within his lifetime. In John 14:13-14 Jesus stated: "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it." -I have yet to get an army of octopi. *cough*fraud*cough
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 07:36:24
***1. Except Jesus. I stated this earlier. Just clearing that up. (I don't want you using that against me because I forgot to repeat myself)
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 07:35:27
1. Human sacrifices are forbidden because no sacrifice would be sufficient enough. Period. 2. Where does it say He will build a "physical Third Temple"? The scripture you gave talked about a covenent. 3."Jewish Holy LAW" Where does it say having faith on the Sabbath is illegal? 4. I just read Isaiah ch7 and didn't see anything that said "Jesus had to be the PHYSICAL descendant" (emphasis added)
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 07:25:34
1. Human sacrifices are forbidden. Period. 2. There IS NO Third Temple. It takes ONLY ONE BEING VIOLATED for Jesus TO BE A FRAUD. How are you not getting this? 3. It is a violation of the mitzvot. The bible says they are to aways be observed. Mitzvots are recognized Jewish Holy LAW-they don't need to be in the bible. Anybody who violates these rules isn't the messiah. Jesus did; he was not the messiah. 4.Isaiah Ch7 says Jesus had to be the physical descendant of David. Cont.
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 05:36:13
God didn't want a human sacrifice because no human was perfect until Jesus. Where does it say Healing on the Sabbath is a violation" in the Bible? What kind of healing are you talking about? No, I didn't know making mud was related to healing because Jesus says in countless healings that it was the "faith" that has healed. Who said it was the mud that healed him in the first place? You are now saying God didn't save Jesus, but how is this if Jesus rose from the dead? (where is this exactly)
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 05:03:00
Healing on the Sabbath is a violation. (You didn't know making a paste was related to healing?) "(Habakkuk 3:13) You come forth to save your people, to save your anointed one. You crush the heads of the wicked, you lay bare their bases at the neck" It says God WILL save his anointed one. God should have saved Jesus if Jesus was the anointed one Jesus never built the Third Temple. (not fullfilling one says Jesus is a fraud) God forbid human sacrifices. (what do you think Jesus was?)
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 04:22:12
John 9:14 refers when the Pharisees were mad at Him because He healed on the Sabbath. They were associating a miricle with work. Why don't you keep reading and see what Jesus says. Joseph was a descendent of David and was Jesus's "legal" father. This way the people would recognize (even those who might not understand or believe in a virgin birth) that Jesus is in fact a descendent of David. Legally, He is a descendent of David.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 04:12:32
John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say "He does not observe Shabbat!" Jesus would never have been the messiah. You have been defending a fraud.
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 04:09:50
Jesus was supposed to be a descendent of David, a descendent of Jesse; Isaiah 11:1 says the messiah will be descended from David, but Joseph had no part in Jesus's conception (Mary's virgin birth is to blame.) "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19). You want to insist God became a mortal? The Messiah was supposed to lead the Jews to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot are to be always be observed, and anyone changing the Torah is identified as a fraud.(Deut. 13:1-4) cont.
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 04:08:01
The soda analogy... Giving up soda for 3 days is a sacrifice... just as Jesus was seperated from the Father for 3 days. This is what I meant for a sacrifice. (I forgot you wrote that)
By: MrKrov. on 19 Nov 08, 03:54:46
You ignored your soda analogy being wrong, I see. Nothing was paid for. 1/3. There are three parts to your Trinity: Jesus, God, Holy Spirit. It doesn't matter how their connected; they're still 1/3 of the same entity. If souls aren't destroyed, then the only thing lost was a mortal shell. A temporary visit in hell won't buy anything. Jesus was not the messiah; the Jews reject him for a reason: Jesus was supposed to build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). There is no Third Temple. Cont.
By: vette0812. on 19 Nov 08, 01:55:04
The whole point of Jesus coming back was to prove He was in fact the Messiah. He said He was gonna come back, then He did. "It's not limiting-it's defining" You can only define something in which you understand. Jesus was 100% God, 100% man. Where did 1/3 come into play? You don't understand the Holy Trinity, therefore you can't define it.
By: sausage4mash. on 18 Nov 08, 12:13:39
One entry found for hypocrisy. Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy Pronunciation: hip-äk-r-s Function: noun : a pretending to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : a pretending to be more virtuous or religious than one really is -------------------------------- 1. Owned 3047 up, 709 down v. owned, 0wned, pwned, 0wn3d, pwn3d, own3d. To be made a fool of; To make a fool of; To confound or prove wrong; embarrassing someone: Being embarrassed.
By: sashomeruu. on 18 Nov 08, 07:49:10
an english and american spelling? how about an english and a dumbass spelling. just so you know everything isnt spelled the same way that it sounds. im kindof thinking that your the one who needs the education.
By: MrKrov. on 18 Nov 08, 05:55:01
It's not limiting-it's defining. That's language's purpose:to get ideas across. There' no use for undiscussable concepts. God can be treated like a fraction just like anything else made of parts can be treated like a fraction. Think of it so: Jesus: Yes, I know I paid for their sins, but I want my life back. Your soda analogy is fallacious. You don't purchase something(others's freedom from hell) and get your money(life)back. If you do, you haven't really bought your soda. No loss at all.
By: MrKrov. on 18 Nov 08, 05:34:05
There is only so much inanity I will tolerate. I'm the one saying there's no sacrifice based on what you said: Jesus is part of God (a 1/3 of the Trinity). As for separation, who's to say where Jesus was in death? Spending two days in heaven wouldn't be a sacrifice. If in hell, how is separation from himself a sacrifice, much less possible? You're still speaking of Jesus as a separate entity, incompatible with him being a multi-part being (i.e. the Trinity). Cont.
By: vette0812. on 18 Nov 08, 04:12:04
I never said there was NO sacrifice. Ever. Jesus was the sacrifice. Why is that so hard for you to understand? How can you say Jesus's death wasn't a sacrifice? How do you know? If I quit drinking pop for 3 days, that's a sacrifice, for 3 days. I don't have to give it up forever for it to be a sacrifice. Jesus was seperated from the Father for 3 days. A sacrifice. He doesn't have to be gone forever for it to be a 'sacrifice'. And He didn't kill himself. Other people crucified Him.
By: MrKrov. on 18 Nov 08, 01:01:44
So, yes, you have been saying all along there was no sacrifice because nothing has been lost. This inequality is something you have yet to grasp, but you still preach it anyways. If you want to continue spewing ideas, you're going to have to acknowledge either Jesus is not God (blasphemy!) or God just wanted to kill temporarily a peice of himself. (Why do you worship a dangerous schizophrenic?)
By: MrKrov. on 18 Nov 08, 00:51:48
Dead people can't do anything. If anybody did anything, it would have been God. God reviving his 'son' after demanding his son to die for you makes no sense. Why? It's balogna. There's NO LOSS. NOTHING WAS SACRIFICED. If I gave you a sandwich and then promptly took it back, I have lost nothing and you gained nothing. It's that simple. (It would also be absurd to think an all-powerful deity could DIE, esp. since only a 1/3 is lost.) Nice to insist the nonbeliever can never understand anything.